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Concealed Carry on Campus

To take input from the VT community, SCCC at VT is opening a survey and quiz on the topic of concealed carry on campus.

The quiz will cover basic facts of concealed carry on campus, and the survey will take input on opinions on the topic. The results will be reported as quiz results, survey results, and correlation between the two.

 

My affiliation with Virginia Tech is:

Student

151

(81%)

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Faculty

4

( 2%)

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Staff

5

( 3%)

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Admin

0

( 0%)

Alumni

22

(12%)

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Parent/Family of affiliated person

0

( 0%)

Police officer (campus or otherwise)

0

( 0%)

Non-affiliated, local (SW Virginia)

0

( 0%)

Non-affiliated, distant

0

( 0%)

other:

2

( 1%)

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no answer

3

( 2%)

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Quiz:

Correct answers and explanations are in red below. Points assigned to each answer are in [] next to the choice.

Please note that this is not meant to be legal advice. Consult an attorney for that.

 

The number of states that issue concealed carry permits to qualified citizens is:

0-9

9

( 5%)

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[0 pts]

10-19

10

( 5%)

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[0 pts]

20-29

20

(11%)

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[0 pts]

30-39

51

(27%)

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[0 pts]

40-50

92

(49%)

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[10 pts]

no answer

5

( 3%)

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[0 pts]

48 states allow citizens to carry concealed firearms for self-defense. Alaska and Vermont, however, do not require a permit to do so. [www.handgunlaw.us].

 

To obtain a concealed handgun permit in Virginia, an applicant must:

be 18 years of age

27

(14%)

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[-3 pts]

be 21 years of age

155

(83%)

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[4 pts]

complete a "competence with a handgun" course

141

(75%)

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[3 pts]

undergo a psychological examination

28

(15%)

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[-2 pts]

pass a background check

155

(83%)

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[3 pts]

show intent to purchase/have purchased a firearm

28

(15%)

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[-2 pts]

provide "good reason" to attain a permit

34

(18%)

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[-2 pts]

In Virginia (and almost all other states) you must be 21 years of age to get a concealed carry permit. After a qualifying "competence with a handgun" course is completed, the proof is submitted along with the permit application, at which time a background check is run. If the applicant passes, they are issued their permit [VA State Police]. VA is a "shall issue" state, compared to a "may issue" state which may require various additional measures, such as providing "good reason" to get a permit [www.handgunlaw.us].

 

The number of US colleges and universities that allow concealed carry (by permit holders) on their campus is:

0-10

104

(56%)

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[0 pts]

11-20

52

(28%)

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[10 pts]

21-30

13

( 7%)

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[0 pts]

31-40

5

( 3%)

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[0 pts]

41+

9

( 5%)

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[0 pts]

no answer

4

( 2%)

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[0 pts]

The nine public campuses of Utah (since 2006), Colorado State University (since 2003), and Blue Ridge Community College in Staunton, VA (since 1995) allow permit holders to carry concealed firearms, totaling 11 campuses [http://concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm].

 

The percentage of Virginians (of legal age) with concealed handgun permits is:

0-5%

80

(43%)

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[10 pts]

6-10%

43

(23%)

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[0 pts]

11-15%

32

(17%)

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[0 pts]

16-20%

19

(10%)

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[0 pts]

21%+

9

( 5%)

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[0 pts]

no answer

4

( 2%)

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[0 pts]

Approximately 2% of Virginians of legal age hold CHPs, compared to over 7% in South Dakota at the high end and 0.17% in New Mexico on the low end [independent calculations, various sources]. Nationwide, the average has been estimated to be 1-2% of American citizens to have a concealed firearm permit of some form.

 

With the exception of police, it is illegal for a person with a CHP to carry a firearm on Virginia Tech's campus.

True

91

(49%)

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[0 pts]

False

90

(48%)

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[10 pts]

no answer

6

( 3%)

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[0 pts]

It's not surprising that there is nearly a 50-50 split on this answer - it's commonly misunderstood. Colleges are NOT one of the restricted areas listed in Virginia law pertaining to carry of firearms, and therefore it is not illegal [VA firearms law link]. See following questions for more information.

 

Compared to society as a whole, statistics show that concealed carry permit holders are:

5.7x LESS likely to commit a violent crime

133

(71%)

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[10 pts]

2.2x LESS likely to commit a violent crime

22

(12%)

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[0 pts]

No different than the rest of society (in terms of violent crime)

15

( 8%)

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[0 pts]

3.1x MORE likely to commit a violent crime

8

( 4%)

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[0 pts]

5.7x MORE likely to commit a violent crime

4

( 2%)

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[0 pts]

no answer

5

( 3%)

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[0 pts]

From www.gunfacts.info:

Fact: People with concealed carry permits are:

-- 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public

-- 13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public

 

Students for Concealed Carry on Campus wants all students, faculty, and staff to apply for concealed carry permits in their respective states.

True

20

(11%)

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[0 pts]

False

163

(87%)

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[10 pts]

no answer

4

( 2%)

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[0 pts]

From the SCCC national website:

"SCCC supports the legalization of CONCEALED carry by LICENSED individuals on COLLEGE campuses. SCCC has no official position on open carry, unlicensed concealed carry, or concealed carry on the campuses of primary or secondary schools."

Further, http://concealedcampus.org/faq.htm directly answers this question.

 

At Virginia public colleges, the "no guns" rule/policy/law is set by:

Virginia Legislators (i.e. by law)

42

(22%)

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[0 pts]

State Council of Higher Education for Virginia (SCHEV)

6

( 3%)

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[0 pts]

Each college/university's Board of Visitors (BOV)

133

(71%)

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[10 pts]

Virginia Citizen's Defense League (VCDL)

2

( 1%)

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[0 pts]

no answer

4

( 2%)

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[0 pts]

A 2005 opinion from Virginia Attorney General opinion clarified that the college's governing body sets such policies, which is the Board of Visitors for public VA colleges. The opinion also clarified that colleges "may not impose general prohibition on carrying of concealed weapons by permitted individuals." Therefore, it is not illegal for anyone with a permit to carry, however, if VT students/faculty/staff carry they can be expelled/fired, but visitors are not restricted by law nor can they be expelled/fired.

 

When a firearm is purchased from an online distributor/dealer, it is:

shipped to the address on the purchaser's drivers license.

10

( 5%)

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[0 pts]

shipped to a local, licensed gun dealer for pickup by purchaser.

22

(12%)

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[0 pts]

shipped to a local, licensed gun dealer for a background check before pickup by the purchaser.

151

(81%)

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[10 pts]

shipped to a local post office, where the purchaser shows identification before pickup.

0

( 0%)

[0 pts]

no answer

4

( 2%)

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[0 pts]

This has been discussed ad nauseam as people tried to place blame on Eric Thompson for the April shootings. Any firearm purchased online, new or used, is shipped to a local, licensed dealer who performs the background checks and ID verifications in person [various sources, e.g. example]. No one disqualified from purchasing a gun may purchase one online, either (as they would be denied by the background check upon pickup).

 

Which of the following is generally illegal for a citizen (i.e. not police) in Virginia, in terms of carrying a firearm in public:

Carrying the firearm visibly (i.e. open carry)

39

(21%)

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[2 pts]

Drawing a firearm when someone argues with you vehemently (but makes no physical threat)

160

(86%)

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[2 pts]

Carrying a concealed firearm without a valid permit

172

(92%)

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[2 pts]

Shooting at an attacker who has stopped their attack

138

(74%)

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[2 pts]

Carrying a firearm while legally intoxicated

155

(83%)

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[2 pts]

--         Only six states prohibit open carry, but they all allow concealed carry by permit holders. Many of the states allow the person to openly carry without a permit, also, including Virginia [www.opencarry.com].

--         Drawing a firearm is considered a threatening gesture, which is illegal unless your life is in imminent danger. This is a serious offense with typical jail time, and is likely to lead to the revocation of any firearm permits [various legal resources].

--         Citizens carrying concealed without a permit is only allowed in Vermont and Alaska. However, Gov. Kaine did sign a bill (to go into effect in July) allowing Commonwealth Attorneys to carry concealed without permits, without training, in schools, and in places that serve alcohol [Text of bill].

--         Various sources (law, court precedence, etc.) have confirmed that using deadly force is only allowed in attempts to STOP an attack.

--         Carrying a firearm while legally intoxicated is illegal in Virginia and most (if not all) states, although some states define the threshold lower than that to legally operate a motor vehicle [VA firearms law link]. Most gun owners do not drink at all while carrying, and lock up their firearm if planning to consume - similar to a driver giving their keys up to a designated driver before drinking.

 

Survey / poll:

 

I believe that:

citizens should be allowed to carry firearms for self-defense.

47

(25%)

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citizens should be allowed to carry firearms for self-defense, but only with a valid permit.

104

(56%)

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only police should be allowed to carry a firearm.

19

(10%)

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all firearms should be banned.

4

( 2%)

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I am unsure of what we should do.

2

( 1%)

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other:

8

( 4%)

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no answer

3

( 2%)

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I:

wish to carry on campus for self-defense.

84

(45%)

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respect the choice of others to carry on campus for self-defense.

63

(34%)

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respect the right to carry everywhere except campus.

20

(11%)

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don't respect others right to carry anywhere, on campus or off.

18

(10%)

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no answer

2

( 1%)

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In regards to carrying firearms on campus by those other than police, I:

believe it should be unrestricted.

12

( 6%)

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believe concealed carry should be allowed by permit holders.

77

(41%)

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believe concealed carry should be allowed by permit holders, with special/advanced training.

54

(29%)

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am undecided / neutral.

7

( 4%)

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believe it should not be allowed.

35

(19%)

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no answer

2

( 1%)

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I have major concerns about concealed carry on campus (regardless of above answer) because:

It would make me uncomfortable if others around me had guns.

44

(24%)

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There is an excessive amount of drinking that takes place on campus.

60

(32%)

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Students are not responsible enough to handle carrying a firearm.

34

(18%)

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Even with the required training to get a concealed carry permit, it is not enough.

37

(20%)

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Campus should be a peaceful place/special environment and guns aren't the answer.

40

(21%)

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Accidents are going to happen.

68

(36%)

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Protecting people should be left to the police.

25

(13%)

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other:

18

(10%)

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This open space is for any additional comments on the topic of concealed carry on campus that you feel were not addressed above:
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Optional:

 

Around campus, I saw ___ people wearing empty holsters:

quite a few (15+)

7

( 4%)

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some (10-15)

10

( 5%)

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a few (5-10)

18

(10%)

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very few (1-5)

57

(30%)

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none

67

(36%)

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no answer

28

(15%)

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Considering we estimated 100-150 participants in the protest on the VT campus, I hope this alleviates people's concerns that "every student will be packing in a classroom."

 

I participated some in Firearms Education Week, and learned:

nothing, knew most of it already

38

(20%)

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nothing, information didn't help/insufficient

13

( 7%)

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a little

42

(22%)

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a lot

15

( 8%)

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enough to change my views on the topic

0

( 0%)

no answer

79

(42%)

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I:

have a permit from Virginia.

32

(17%)

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have a permit from another state.

4

( 2%)

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don't have a permit yet, but will get one.

70

(37%)

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don't wish to get a permit.

47

(25%)

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wish no one had permits.

9

( 5%)

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no answer

25

(13%)

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